H8 6th conversation of Jorge Barrenechea with an Ummite

6th CONVERSATION WITH AN UMMITE (Talkative) - Jorge Barrenechea, 23 March 1987, from 12:45 to 13:15, duration 30'

He asks me how we are getting on with compiling and indexing the reports in order to distribute them to the others through one of our sisters, who keeps them at calle Goya 57, 4th floor left.

I tell him I was a little behind.

He tells me several times not to worry, that he was in no hurry.

To give him a date I tell him 27 April, but subject to confirmation.

He insists on what he must pay us.

I tell him we were more than amply paid in exchange for very little.

He repeats the instructions to me and the need for a higher-quality paper to wrap the parcel.

He asks me whether I would like to make a statement about the previous day's meeting and I tell him why we have excluded three of our brothers:

Enrique Villagrasa. For lack of interest in the subject. For lack of enthusiasm. For taking everything lightly.

Francisco Mejorada. Biopsychic characteristics (unsuited to the group).

Alberto Borràs. He is a good brother. But his psychism does not fit with that of the group.

The last document was forbidden to those brothers, including reading it, but you must not treat them as outcasts. You must invite them on other occasions.

The cohesion of the group is very important and we would be in favour of more information.

It is important to urge them to discretion.

The members constitute an ideal social micro-network.

Jorge Barrenechea - Why do you consider the central nucleus of this small community provisional?

Ummo - Because some will exclude themselves and new ones will join.

JB. - Then he again gives me the portraits of J. L. Jordán, Juan Domínguez and L. J. Marhuenda. On reaching Juan Aguirre, he adds that they know how his brother Franco Muela, a psychopathic patient, was helped... Although he boasts of not being dominated by anyone, the fact that he feels free moves us.

But from now on, if the information is spread, it will be cut off from the group. That would do us serious harm. What we contribute is OUR property, UMMO's. Its ideas may not be used; they are ours. We contribute them by private letter. Every man is obliged to keep the secret but, in addition, as with the doctor, professional secrecy must be borne in mind.

He is the most difficult man in the group. He repeats the argument of professional secrecy several times and tells me that he had to be urged to the most absolute discretion with that argument. He repeats: Juan Aguirre is the most difficult man in the group.

He tells me he was sure that R. Farriols, Juan Domínguez, myself, J. L. Jordán and L. J. Marhuenda would be faithful to them, but that they have difficulties with Juan Aguirre and Dionisio Garrido... archaic, stereotyped ideas... for example their opinion on abortion expressed at yesterday's meeting. We are not in favour of abortion, but we are tolerant of the mother's difficult conditions. Pseudo-love of death. Life in those conditions is death and destruction. Dionisio Garrido is incapable of grasping these concepts.

He tells me that Julián should not take it as an expulsion (he repeats it several times), but that I had done well to exclude him from the meeting.

It must not be interpreted as an expulsion, but as a suspension...

JB. - I then ask him whether I may ask him other things.

U. - Yes, but few.

JB. - In theory, if a hybrid of the two humanities could exist, to which collective subconscious would that individual belong?

U. - To that of whoever had more genes.

JB. - If evolution progresses by triumphing over evil and finally over death, how can that be in a polyuniverse that is heading towards death? (?)

U. - The polyuniverse is not heading towards death. Negentropy (It says "negantropia". These are notes taken during a telephone conversation in telegraphic style, hard to reread. Note by ummo-sciences.) ends with death. We must all fight against entropy. The lack of love... (because it is serious).

JB. - Why are there no living beings of imaginary mass?

U. - Time would run in the opposite direction. If there were beings of imaginary mass, memory would be the future. It would be aberrant: time would run backwards, so that the present would manufacture the past.

JB. - Why does that imaginary mass influence the twin cosmos and not ours?

U. - It is difficult to explain by telephone.

JB. - When you arrived on Earth in 1950, you were surprised by the resemblance between UMMOWOA and CHRIST. But if you only know two UMMOWOAS, how can you extrapolate that the proof of all those sent by WOA is the disappearance of the body at death?

U. - We have knowledge of other UMMOWOAS.

JB. - What do you think of the ethics of suicide and euthanasia?

U. - Suicide alone is a mental illness and cannot shelter behind ethical justifications. (The suicide of a sage causes serious disturbances in the WAAM.)

Euthanasia, under certain conditions and with the patient's will, may be considered lawful: euthanasia when life is irreversible.

JB. - Without exceptional means, how are telekinesis, telepsychophony and teleportation possible?

U. - It is not possible without a perturbation contributed by an adjacent universe, something only an ¿EXTRATERRESTRIAL? can achieve. A terrestrial cannot today.

JB. - Juan Domínguez has developed a relief photography technique inspired by you. What do you think of it?

U. - It must be studied thoroughly. We know he has patented it, but we do not know its foundations.

JB. - Which aspects of my personality do you consider parascientific, as is said in the portrait in the letter to R. Farriols?

U. - We know that not today, but some years ago you did some OUIJA experiments, and that is very dangerous.

JB. - Christ's body disappeared into the WAAM of mass M = ∞. Will it fulfil some mission there?

U. - The flesh disappears, the WORD continues. The flesh goes to the other universe of negative mass (-M), not to the one of infinite mass (M = ∞). It is the other adjacent universe, where there is no mission to fulfil... On each OYAGAA a different Christ appears. A word, a piece of information has been made FLESH. It is a scientific truth.

JB. - As for UMMOWOA and Christ, supposing they are the same, but it cannot be proven scientifically.

JB. - Is the capitalist mode of production coming to an end to give way to another new mode or, on the contrary, does it still have a long life ahead?

U. - Yes. It still has a long life, although mixed systems will arise: capitalism / Marxism.

JB. - Will the hegemony of the United States as a great power last a long time yet?

U. - It will be replaced within forty-odd years by the Japan - Australia bloc.

JB. - Are we or are we not heading towards Socialism in the world?

U. - Yes, we are. But it is greatly held back by the United States, Great Britain, etc. Unfortunately, slowly.

JB. - Given the prospects for world population growth, is it certain that we will begin to suffer shortages of food resources around the year 2000?

U. - The shortage will be very serious when 6,800 million inhabitants are reached.

JB. - Are we destroying the Earth irreversibly?

U. - It is not yet irreversible.

JB. - But if we go on like this, the thing will be irreversible... ozone layer... biodegradation... Elnovan's (?) forecasting method Histor... (?)

JB. - Do you know the Box-Jenkins methodology? ("Bob-Jenkins" in the French version)

U. - Yes. But why do you ask me that?

JB. - Because my son-in-law suggested this question to me.

U. - It is a good method.

JB. - About your history we know almost nothing, except that you were under the authority of a cruel girl, etc. And hardly anything else. Could you give us an outline of your history and your prehistory?

U. - You want a synopsis. We will gladly give it to you.